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		<title>By: Two Steps Forward to an Open Internet &#171; Civil Defense - a weblog by Joshua Breitbart</title>
		<link>http://breitbart.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/no-invisible-thread/#comment-33414</link>
		<dc:creator>Two Steps Forward to an Open Internet &#171; Civil Defense - a weblog by Joshua Breitbart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] before the dais, tomorrow&#8217;s Oakland Summit includes a variety of formats to strengthen horizontal networks among the many local community-based digital inclusion [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The PF Hyper Blog</title>
		<link>http://breitbart.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/no-invisible-thread/#comment-30022</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Minneapolis Unwired: Digital Inclusion Update&lt;/strong&gt;

I am a community representative on the Digital Inclusion Fund Advisory Committee and if you drop by often you may have read this article when we were looking for proposals for our very first funding cycle.

I now have forty-five proposals to go thr...</description>
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<p>I am a community representative on the Digital Inclusion Fund Advisory Committee and if you drop by often you may have read this article when we were looking for proposals for our very first funding cycle.</p>
<p>I now have forty-five proposals to go thr&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wsoftheart</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Josh,

I just moved to Philly and have been trying to read up on your WP reporting (so that I can understand what it&#039;s all about politically, of course:). And very practically speaking, to see if I should sign up with Earthlink/WP. In trying to choose an ISP, I&#039;m wondering if I should go with someone like comcast (expensive), or with with WP (relatively affordable yet shady). Have you heard any feedback about the performance of their service? What do you recommend to someone who wants to be mindful of where they put their dollar?

-mL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Josh,</p>
<p>I just moved to Philly and have been trying to read up on your WP reporting (so that I can understand what it&#8217;s all about politically, of course:). And very practically speaking, to see if I should sign up with Earthlink/WP. In trying to choose an ISP, I&#8217;m wondering if I should go with someone like comcast (expensive), or with with WP (relatively affordable yet shady). Have you heard any feedback about the performance of their service? What do you recommend to someone who wants to be mindful of where they put their dollar?</p>
<p>-mL</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Breitbart</title>
		<link>http://breitbart.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/no-invisible-thread/#comment-26393</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Breitbart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kari – I think your point is profoundly important. 

If I were to characterize the relationship between government and the nonprofit sector in the two cities I use as examples, I would say that in Philadelphia it is more a situation of patronage and in Minneapolis (which I don&#039;t know as well) it&#039;s more collaborative. Historically, government has not done as much for people in a place like Philly as it has in the upper Midwest.

So in Philadelphia, the Wireless Philadelphia Community Advisory Board went from looking for applications, as Derek Pew said early on, to having its members appointed by each City Councilperson. And Clifton Roscoe, Earthlink&#039;s Project Manager for Philadelphia, ended up on the board of People&#039;s Emergency Center (the one organization in Philly that had both the technical expertise and community connections to shape the WP network, if that had been a goal).

In Minneapolis, the Digital Inclusion self-starters became the official city task force, more or less. I said &quot;co-opted&quot; above partly because this happened in a pretty indelicate way, but also because I am a jaded New Yorker.

Although that kind of suspicion is probably universal here, you&#039;ll find just about every kind of relationship among nonprofits and government agencies in this city. If I had to summarize NYC I&#039;d say, if you&#039;re going to play, you have to play big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kari – I think your point is profoundly important. </p>
<p>If I were to characterize the relationship between government and the nonprofit sector in the two cities I use as examples, I would say that in Philadelphia it is more a situation of patronage and in Minneapolis (which I don&#8217;t know as well) it&#8217;s more collaborative. Historically, government has not done as much for people in a place like Philly as it has in the upper Midwest.</p>
<p>So in Philadelphia, the Wireless Philadelphia Community Advisory Board went from looking for applications, as Derek Pew said early on, to having its members appointed by each City Councilperson. And Clifton Roscoe, Earthlink&#8217;s Project Manager for Philadelphia, ended up on the board of People&#8217;s Emergency Center (the one organization in Philly that had both the technical expertise and community connections to shape the WP network, if that had been a goal).</p>
<p>In Minneapolis, the Digital Inclusion self-starters became the official city task force, more or less. I said &#8220;co-opted&#8221; above partly because this happened in a pretty indelicate way, but also because I am a jaded New Yorker.</p>
<p>Although that kind of suspicion is probably universal here, you&#8217;ll find just about every kind of relationship among nonprofits and government agencies in this city. If I had to summarize NYC I&#8217;d say, if you&#8217;re going to play, you have to play big.</p>
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		<title>By: Kari Gray</title>
		<link>http://breitbart.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/no-invisible-thread/#comment-26391</link>
		<dc:creator>Kari Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree - this is an excellent thread. Much of the sentiment really resonates with me. 

However, I think that we have to be careful of suggesting that one city&#039;s strategy can be successfully imitated in another municipality. That is the mistake that Earthlink itself is making. Just as our city charters and budgets are similar, but different, every aspect of municipal culture may be unique to a city. While learning about other municipalities&#039; solutions, we must consider the values of our own communities to determine whether those solutions are appropriate for us.

There are real differences in how nonprofits and community groups currently work with and respond to their local governments. In some cities, the nonprofit sector is organized to promote and develop local government initiatives and in other places, nonprofit and community groups work to challenge or improve local government initiatives. We should also acknowledge the cultural differences in our organizational communities in the same way that we work to acknowledge cultural differences in our cultural communities. 

I think that the deployments that succeed will continously develop appropriate strategies for working in the existing and emerging civic culture. There will be municipalities and communities which do not value horizontality because they want to exclude their local government from any type of participation in the system. So may be more like a series of parallel lines, than one, connected line. 

But, as we will all agree, the more public participation we can guarantee in these deployments, the more robust and successful they will be. Because as public participation increases, those who would be &quot;separate-but-equal&quot; will be enticed to the table of community and civic collabortion.

Or so we hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8211; this is an excellent thread. Much of the sentiment really resonates with me. </p>
<p>However, I think that we have to be careful of suggesting that one city&#8217;s strategy can be successfully imitated in another municipality. That is the mistake that Earthlink itself is making. Just as our city charters and budgets are similar, but different, every aspect of municipal culture may be unique to a city. While learning about other municipalities&#8217; solutions, we must consider the values of our own communities to determine whether those solutions are appropriate for us.</p>
<p>There are real differences in how nonprofits and community groups currently work with and respond to their local governments. In some cities, the nonprofit sector is organized to promote and develop local government initiatives and in other places, nonprofit and community groups work to challenge or improve local government initiatives. We should also acknowledge the cultural differences in our organizational communities in the same way that we work to acknowledge cultural differences in our cultural communities. </p>
<p>I think that the deployments that succeed will continously develop appropriate strategies for working in the existing and emerging civic culture. There will be municipalities and communities which do not value horizontality because they want to exclude their local government from any type of participation in the system. So may be more like a series of parallel lines, than one, connected line. </p>
<p>But, as we will all agree, the more public participation we can guarantee in these deployments, the more robust and successful they will be. Because as public participation increases, those who would be &#8220;separate-but-equal&#8221; will be enticed to the table of community and civic collabortion.</p>
<p>Or so we hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Maranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Maranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent thread... much to explore in the questions of hoizontality and the freedom to connect.   Networks in the abstract and ideal are flat and flatten power when we have this freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent thread&#8230; much to explore in the questions of hoizontality and the freedom to connect.   Networks in the abstract and ideal are flat and flatten power when we have this freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: wrythings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Don&#8217;t be sold an invisible thread, and get all the threads your community needs</title>
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		<dc:creator>wrythings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Don&#8217;t be sold an invisible thread, and get all the threads your community needs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a warning to all who seek digital inclusion or more (perhaps excellence) for their community, here: Horizontal vs. Hub-and-Spoke Relations, or The Emperor has no Invisible Thread. The bottom line: unless your city has character and backbone, and cares for the people, the people [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a warning to all who seek digital inclusion or more (perhaps excellence) for their community, here: Horizontal vs. Hub-and-Spoke Relations, or The Emperor has no Invisible Thread. The bottom line: unless your city has character and backbone, and cares for the people, the people [...]</p>
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